RAILDATE: the weekly newsletter of the Hursley Park Model Railway Society: http://www.ibmhursleyclub.org.uk/ss/hpmrs/

Quite a bumper issue this week - thanks to all contributors!


Neil Kearns has spotted an article in "Heritage Railways" about a proposed transport heritage centre at the site of Eastleigh Works. Part of the site would probably be given over to industrial developments which would be linked to the Chickenhall Link Road, running from Southampton Airport, around the south of Eastleigh Loco Depot and Works, and across the Eastleigh - Fareham line to link up with Chickenhall Industrial Estate and Fair Oak Road. Apparently, the idea has been circulating since 1978, and there is also a proposal to include aircraft (Southampton Aviation Museum) and local buses as well as railways. The Southern Electric Group has already declared an interest in the proposal. Nothing will happen until the Alstom lease expires in late 2007.

In the meantime, there is an auction of equipment at Eastleigh Works on 10th/11th October from 10.30 both days. Viewing is from 0800 to 1700 on Mon 10th October. Full details here:


Paul Bartlett's fotopic site has been updated...

The summer is over - well it is here today - so time to get on with some modelling, or just looking at wagon photographs. So here is an update on the postings of the past couple of months.

Not wagons, but scanned a while ago, so why not share? Handsome in their railfreight sector liveries. "Class 37s - English Electric type 3" (C#693534) - 7 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c693534.html

Some photographs grabbed on a work-related visit, the Macedonian sunset livery on the coaches is lovely, and an interesting preserved loco in a restaurant garden by the Gevgelija station. Skopje and Gevgelija mixed" (C#618614) - 32 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c618614.html

A collection of these coaches, mostly black and white from the 1950s, and an XP64. "Mark 1 coaches" (C#693000) - 12 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c693000.html

Trying to help some modelers - some common, but rarely seen details of the underneath of a wood framed wagon. "Wagon details - PO mineral" (C#699028) - 8 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c699028.html

A selection of vans, the collection titles are self-explanatory. "BR Standard van all plywood sides" (C#694164) - 73 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c694164.html

"BR Pallet shock vans" (C#692054) - 13 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c692054.html

"BR (GWR design) shocvan" (C#691066) - 11 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c691066.html

"BR Standard Shock vans" (C#686509) - 70 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c686509.html

"BR Gunpowder vans CXV" (C#631611) - 42 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c631611.html

"Gunpowder vans - pre-nationalisation 1970s-90s" (C#634655) - 37 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c634655.html

Nice small steel carrying wagons, easily converted from models available in several scales. "BR Twin Bolsters, Lowfit & Conflat conversion" (C#626690) - 51 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c626690.html

Some details to go with a recent article in Rail Express. "ICI hydrogen cyanide tanks" (C#673501) - 12 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c673501.html

Something different. "Tiphook rail bogie box, international registered" (C#669650 - 7 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c669650.html

More to go with the articles in Model Rail. "BSSC bogie Iron ore tippler PTA JTA Immingham" (C#626124) - 28 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c626124.html

The very characteristic GWR brake vans spread to many parts of the system in later years and some quite early ones survived for many years. "GWR Brake vans" (C#624417) - 66 photographs: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c624417.html

A carfit S added. "SR Railway wagons - general" (C#77779) - 1 photograph: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c77779.html

An incredible site that contains a huge amount of information about the world's railways is here:


It is based on an earlier site that is no longer updated, and according to the blurb, should have been removed back in July. Readers are invited to download what they want while thes site is still there (it isn't clear if everything has been moved over to the new site). The original site is here:


One of the most fascinating links from the new site is to a list of line closures for UK and Ireland.


A comprehensive report (9 pages with 44 pictures) of the Southern Belle Railtour on 17th October is on the Southern Electric Group website:


West Somerset Express, Issue 39 (October 2005) is now available:


Thanks to Brian Hall who spotted this site for the Ribble Steam Railway:


The website for departmental rolling stock:


Live steam locomotives in H0 scale (1:87) including some British outline locomotives:


Don Winter has put details of his various train trips on the Web at:


Wessex Wagons - limited edition private owner wagons:


Ralph Rawlinson's International News

This week - Eurostar News:

Due to a number of factors, both here and on the European mainland, it now looks as though we will have to wait until December 2007 for those tantalising journey time reductions to Paris and Brussels. This is a summary of items in the October issue of Modern Railways.

With the whole of the CTRL in use, the best non-stop timings will be l hr 51 min to Brussels and 2 hr 15 min to Paris. Brussels will thus be closer in journey time to London than Leeds or Manchester, Cardiff or Exeter and much less than half the Edinburgh or Glasgow timing.

The Eurostar partners have agreed that trains will make no more than one intermediate stop on either side of the Channel, which has significant implications for UK intermediate stations. Dartford International (Eurostar's preferred name for the new Ebbsfleet station) is seen as crucial to the future success of the international train service. It will be the railhead not only for many of those who currently use Waterloo but also for many who currently drive to Ashford. A three-minute drive from the M25, it will open with parking for 5000 cars, and there is space available to provide another 4000 places. Dartford International will be 17 min from St Pancras, 95 min from Brussels, and 118 min from Paris.

The modest aspiration of Modern Railways is for a limited stop Birmingham - Paris Eurolino, occupying one of the three Virgin West Coast paths every other hour by the end of the decade. It suggests, however, that readers may have more imaginative ideas!

Nick and Jane Wheat recently took a trip to the USA to witness the last public display of the Tomcat. The US Navy's last two active F-14 Tomcat squadrons are on their final deployment headed to the Persian Gulf onboard aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. The F/A-18 Super Hornets will replace the Tomcats when they return in mid-2006 and will only require about one-fourth the maintenance time of their predecessors. Pilots will need about four months to retrain for the new Super Hornets:


Nick's photos were a few snaps of the general day. Superb quality photos of the display flying are at...


http://www.jaffapix.com/oceanasat.html http://www.jaffapix.com/oceanasun.html

http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/nasoceana/050916/archives.cfm (video clips)

For 40 years Alan Watkins has been taking photographs of the back ends of buses:


There are plans for a tram museum in Guernsey:



Computer fault brings train chaos: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4292564.stm

MSPs vote to reopen Waverley route: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4288258.stm

New railway station in Glasgow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4291422.stm

Bids submitted for rail franchise: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4289086.stm

More than 85% of trains "on time": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4282366.stm

Pupils "sitting in luggage racks": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4290344.stm

SW lines join rural rail scheme: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4278282.stm

Bridge replaces railway crossing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/4287364.stm

Reward offered after rail arson: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4281860.stm

Train firm aims to improve image: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/4282686.stm

TV and Radio

Discovery's programmes are no longer included, but their daily schedules are here: http://tinyurl.com/3fczf
Sat Oct 01 1335-1400 Five 'Air Race World Series'
Sat Oct 01 1915-2010 BBC2 'Who Do You Think You Are' Jeremy Clarkson's family tree
Sat Oct 01 1940-2010 BBC4 'Nation on Film - Shooting the War'
Sat Oct 01 2010-2110 BBC2 'Battlefield Britain - Battle of Britain'
Sun Oct 02 1445-1500 BBC Radio 4 'Slate Stories' The heritage of the slate quarry
Sun Oct 02 1730-1830 Channel 4 'Scrapheap Challenge' An arrow-firing machine from scrap
Mon Oct 03 0010-0035 Five 'Air Race World Series'
Mon Oct 03 2000-2030 BBC2 'Map Man' John Cary's 'Inland Navigaton' canal map
Tue Oct 04 1910-2000 BBC4 'Great Railway Journeys' The Khyber Mail with Mark Tully
Wed Oct 05 1930-2000 BBC2 'How to Rescue a House' An architect explains
Wed Oct 05 2100-2200 BBC2 'Space Race' Drama documentary series (4/4)
Thu Oct 06 1900-2000 BBC4 'Homes for Heroes' Post-war architecture
Thu Oct 06 1915-2000 Five 'Ocean's Greatest Wrecks: World's First Killer Submarine'
Fri Oct 07 1300-1320 Channel 4 'The Midland: Checking into History' Midland Hotel, Manchester


See Mainline Steam Tours page for up-to-date info on many of these tours, and others, often with timings.

For up-to-date information on many of the tours mentioned in RAILDATE (and others) often with timings, see the Steam Tours pages at: http://www.uksteam.info/index.shtml
All details are correct to the best of my knowledge. No responsibility is taken for inaccuracies or changes.
Fri Sep 30 - Sun Oct 02 ? West Somerset Railway: Autumn Steam Gala
Subject to availability, guest locos will include:
BR 8P 4-6-2 no 71000 'Duke of Gloucester' *WITHDRAWN*
SR MN 4-6-2 'Canadian Pacific' *ADDED*
LSWR Beattie well tank 2-4-0WT no 30587
LNWR Super D 0-8-0 no 49395
With resident 2-8-0s 88 and 3850, there might be three eight-coupled locos in action *Update* 88 probably in light steam, 3850 probably not finished in time http://www.West-Somerset-Railway.co.uk
Fri Sep 30 - Sat Oct 01 1700-2130(Fri) 1000-1800(Sat) 1000-1700(Sun) Manchester Model Railway Show
New Century Hall, Corporation Street, Manchester 1700-2130 (Fri), 1000-1800 (Sat), 1000-1700 (Sun) http://www.mmrs.co.uk
Sat Oct 01 ? Main Line Steam - Steam tour through Romsey 34067 should pass at 1518 working 1Z38 1455 Salisbury - Derby via Staines and Kensington Olympia (thanks Neil)
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 ? Eastleigh Lakeside Railway: Visiting Locomotive Weekend http://www.steamtrain.co.uk
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 1000-1700(Sat) 1000-1630(Sun) Fareham & District MRC Model Railway Exhibition
Fareham Community Centre, Queens Road, Fareham
Adult: 3, OAP/Child: 2, Family (2+2): 8 1000-1700 (Sat), 1000-1630 (Sun) http://www.hants.org.uk/fadmrc
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 ? Didcot Railway Centre: Steam and Railcar days http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 ? Kew Bridge Steam Museum: Steam Models Show http://www.kbsm.org
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 ? Avon Valley Railway: Day Out with Thomas http://www.avonvalleyrailway.org
Sat Oct 01 - Sun Oct 02 1000-1800(Sat) 1000-1700(Sun) St Johns Mickleover Model Railway Group Autumn Exhibition
The Community Centre, Uttoxeter Road, Mickleover, Derby 1000-1800 (Sat), 1000-1700 (Sun)
First public outing of the Club's new 00 layout 'Duffield'
Other working layouts, trade stands for models, books, etc, demonstrations, tombola and cafeteria
Sat Oct 02 1000-1600 Romsey Signal Box Open Day 1000-1600; Admission free (donations welcome!)
Romsey Infants School, Plaza Parade, Winchester Rd, Romsey
Car park in school grounds
Sat Oct 02 ? Twyford (Hants) Waterworks Open Day
Pumps in action, model railways, traction engines, stalls, etc
Sun Oct 02 1000 Totem/Target Only Swapmeet
The Village Hall, Kingston-upon-Soar, Nr Kegworth
Admission: 2 without or with one totem or target 4 with 2 totems, 5 with 3 totems or more
Starts 1000
Buy, sell, swap, part exchange - no selling or buyers fees
Last date for listing: 25th September
Thu Oct 06 1930 Institute of Railway Studies & Transport History 'Annihilating Surprise: Transportation, Images and Tourism'
A public lecture by Professor David Nye, School of Comparative
American Studies, University of Warwick
The Walker Suite, National Railway Museum, Leeman Road, York 1930 (preceded at 1830pm by a reception)
Thu Oct 06 - Sun Oct 09 ? International Association for the History of Transport,
Traffic and Mobility - Third Annual Meeting
National Railway Museum, York
Conference theme is tourism and the history of transport, traffic and mobility
Opening address to be given by Professor David Nye, Warwick
Further details: http://www.t2m.org
Fri Oct 07 - Sun Oct 09 ? Didcot Railway Centre: Day Out with Thomas http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 1030-1700 Somerset Modellers Club - Rail-Ex Taunton-Southwest
Richard Huish College, South Road, Taunton, Somerset
Free vintage bus service from Taunton station to the show 1030-1700 both days http://www.somerset-modellers.org.uk
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 ? Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway - Day Out with Thomas http://www.gwsr.com
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 ? Great Central Railway: Autumn Steam Gala http://www.gcrailway.co.uk
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 ? Heathcote O Gauge Society Modelling Weekend
Hind Leys Community College, Shepshed, Leicesterhire
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 ? The Battlefield Line, Shackerstone: Postman Pat http://www.Battlefield-Line-Railway.co.uk
Sat Oct 08 - Sun Oct 09 ? Bure Valley Railway: 15th Anniversary Gala http://www.bvrw.co.uk
Sun Oct 09 ? Buckinghamshire Railway Centre: Autumn Steam & Diesel Gala http://www.bucksrailcentre.org
Sun Oct 09 ? Dean Forest Railway: Vintage Rally at Norchard car park
Wed Oct 12 ? Main Line Steam - Cathedrals Express
Salisbury, Bath & Bristol & return (Black 5)
mailto:info@steamdreams.co.uk http://www.steamdreams.co.uk
Fri Oct 14 - Sun Oct 16 ? Keighley & Worth Valley Railway Autumn Steam Gala
Extensive timetable on all 3 days, including evening running on the Friday and Saturday
Up to 8 locomotives in steam each day including visiting engines 3440 'City of Truro' and 49395 Super D http://www.kwvr.co.uk
Sat Oct 15 1000-1600 Victory Model Railway Club and the Gosport & Fareham Dolls
House Club Show
Portchester Community Centre, Westlands, Grove Portchester
HPMRS member, Derek Gillkerson, will be attending with 'New
Stanton Lees' 1000-1600
Sat Oct 15 ? St Johns Railway Circle Model Railway Exhibition
St Johns Church Hall, Church Lane, Midsomer Norton 100-1700
Sat Oct 15 ? Crich Tramway Village: The Big Draw
An opportunity to paint and draw at the museum http://www.tramway.co.uk
Sat Oct 15 1830 'On Precise Lines - engineering drawing and railways from
Boulton & Watt to BR'
An illustrated lecture by Tim Procter, Access Team Project
Leader at the National Railway Museum, York
Starts: 18.30 in the Gibb Theatre
Free ticketed event - 75 places available
Parking available in the Main Visitor Car Park
Tickets obtainable from Helen Taylor, Education Team, NRM,
Leeman Rd, York, YO26 4XJ
Email: helen.taylor@nmsi.ac.uk.
Sat Oct 15 - Sun Oct 16 1000-1700(Sat) 1000-1630(Sun) Exhibition of Railway Memorabilia and Model Railways
Milldown School, Milldown Road, Blandford, Dorset 1000-1700 (Sat), 1000-1630 (Sun) http://www.blandfordcharter400.org.uk
Sat Oct 15 - Sun Oct 16 ? Ffestiniog Railway: Vintage Weekend http://www.festrail.co.uk
Sat Oct 15 - Sun Oct 16 1100-1300 1400-1700 On Precise Lines - engineering drawing and railways from
Boulton & Watt to BR
An exhibition of original designs from the drawing shops of
Stephenson, Hackworth, the Big Four and British Rail, including sketches taken at the Rainhill Trials and a design for a locomotive on skis
Historic drawing instruments will form part of the exhibition, and experts from Collections will be on hand for information and discussion
To be held in the Luggage Van in Station Hall 1100-1300 and 1400-1700
Details on the HMRS web site via the events page: http://www.hmrs.org.uk/events/index.shtml
Sun Oct 16 ? Bursledon Brickworks - Autumn Steam
Swanwick Lane, Swanwick, Southampton
Sun Oct 16 ? Isle of Wight Bus Museum Running Day, Newport Harbour
Cheers, Howard. editor@raildate.co.uk

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