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More things culled from RAILDATE up to 09/08/00, plus anything else that's come my way.

Main Line Registered Steam Locos


LNER Locos

Photographs of 62005 at Hull Docks and 60800 at the Great Central Railway on the updated:


Class 37

'Hypothermia with Tony' is the result of a little Manchester expedition in the rain and cold on the lunchtime of 17 April, in which Tony Miles and I get to see Class 37s from three different owners, plus an unexpected number of freight trains, and photograph one of those new station signs we've been talking about:


A plethora of Class 37 pics from the holiday weekend can be found on our North Wales Coast Easter Special page:


French Class 37 photos added to Rubce's Railway Webpage:


I've just uploaded the start of my website it's a list with photos of Class 37 workings I travelled on during 1986:


Class 45

The website of the 3rd 45/0 group has had a few updates, mostly new links and some new photos of the other preserved beasties. Still no news yet on the sale though:


Class 50

The Fifty Fund website has been updated with more stuff:


50031 Hood on SVR 27th May:


The Fifty Fund's website has been updated. It now includes photos of 50035 and 50031 en route from Kidderminster to Old Oak Common last Tuesday. Main site:


50035 and 50031 on the move:


Class 55

Duncan's gallery of Deltics:


Deltic 9000 Locomotives Ltd now have their own Website. The idea of the site is to keep people more informed as to what is really happening with our locos, and when they are running:


A new e-group mailing list has set up where we can discuss class 55 workings. The owner is trying to piece together the workings over the final years (until 31/12/81), and could do with some help. To subscribe, go here:


Photos of the prototype Deltic taken recently in the NRM:


Class 66

Some updates on a website with new 66 shots including a double header at WBQ, 56, 37 etc. more to come. Opening picture features double headed 37s on the Dee Marsh - Margam steel:


Class 67

If anyone *really* wants to see an mpeg of a class 67 at speed, see:


After all if Simon Greenaway is mad enough to go and stand in a field and wait for one...

Class 75

I've just updated my 'Class 75' chronicle with lots of info from 'Informed Sources' (apologies to Captain Deltic) and pictures of 175003's visit to Manchester on 5 May:


Class 86 and 87

Website claims Class 87 and Class 86 have never been overhauled and were only designed for a ten year life:


Class 101

A pictorial tribute to the Met Cam Class 101 DMU's is located at:


Metrovick Co-Bo

The gallery in "Co-Bo World", the website dedicated to D5705 and the Metrovick Co-Bo's has been updated via the good offices of David Hills. Just click on the URL and follow the link to Gallery 4:



A list of shunters by running number and what happened to each one:


A nice Webpage with a selection of shunters:


Here are two piccies of No. 06003 in 1997 at the Crewe International depot:


General Diesels

A recently completed update to a site with some 66s, 60s and a special feature on 47033, 47217 and 47297 on their way to Wigan:


BRDieselWeb updated some additions (and subtractions) from the Class 37 photo gallery plus a recording of 37038 in action on its debut and some Western (Class 52) photos thanks to Jon Tooke:


If you're interested in British railways locomotives from the 1980s and 1990s:


Sulzers galore and more:


Locomotive and other thrash:


Tractors in action on the Central Wales Line. Feel the thrash!


Locomotive Club of Great Britain


Avon Valley Railway


Bluebell Railway

The latest news from the Bluebell Railway (with photos) is available:


Great Central Railway

GCR double track celebrations: Green arrow has arrived, the Hall has been turned to face north and finished in BR green livery. The gala this weekend will run on double track which has now been inspected by HMRI. Details on the website:


For updated images of the progress in demolishing the GC viaduct at Broadmarsh, Nottingham visit this page (sob, sob, sob!):


Hull and Barnsley Railway

The 'new and improved' Hull and Barnsley Railway Stock Fund webpage can be found at:


Keighley and Worth Valley Railway

Following the succesful Diesel Weekend at the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway 2 weeks ago there is now a gallery of pictures shot over the weekend - including mpeg movies (& audio!) of 20s and 50s:


Midland Railway


Is a web-page which provides a focus for family historians researching former employees of the Company centred on Derby. Listed are brief details, interests and their researchers.

For further information, please contact them direct. If you would like your details included or wish to amend your submissions, please send a message to: Carlos_dyke@email.msn.com

Abergele Railway Disaster

I have done research on the Abergele Railway Disaster of 1867 and I thought that others may be interested in it reading the report. Links also on here to report of Earthquake in Britain in 1896 and the Coroner's inquest by Dr Evan Pierce of the Abergele disaster:


Bath Green Park

Alan Gibson has produced some 4mm kits of Bath Green Park station roof, a Midland Railway lattice bridge and an LMS cantilever gantry signal. The station roof fret comes with all manner of Midland bits and pieces such as gradient arms and platform barrows. Details at:




Darlington Railway Centre and Museum

This website has just been updated with what is the first installment of an online catalogue of material in the Ken Hoole Study Centre. For those who don't know, Ken Hoole was a very well known railway historian, who wrote many books about the railways of the North East. When he died in 1988 he bequeathed his entire collection of books, photographs and documents to the Darlington Railway Centre and Museum. We have now added a list of some of the drawings from the collection to our website.

These drawings are available to view at the Ken Hoole Study Centre, which is a part of the Museum, and the opening times are on the website. I'm sure that these drawings would be invaluable to anybody modelling NER or LNER subjects.



Details on the London 2000 event at Old Oak Common are available on LocoWatch News:


Photos of this year's Steam on the Met 2000 - The Finale:






Greater Manchester travel website updated, including changes to price of CountyCard and Traincard, finally finished the North-West of Greater Manchester station detail listing, new Summit Tunnel page and Manchester Metrolink zone changes:


North West

An account of an Easter round trip on the "Irish Mancunian" from Bangor to Manchester is at:


Old Dalby Test Track

Alstom's plans to utilse the Old Dalby test track are being threatened by dianthus armeria or Deptford Pink. This is an exceedingly rare flower, found at only 30 sites in UK. Unfortunately for Alstom, some 300 are growing alongside the track near Keyworth. Rushcliffe Borough Council decides today on the Alstom planning application for the Test Track. It is expected approval will be given subject to Alstom and English Nature deciding how to protect the Pinks. Fortunately they are at the northern end of the line, so electrification etc can progress from the south whilst plans are formulated.

And yes, the local paper headline was 'It's the wrong kind of flower'!

Scottish Rover Bashing Sim


Staffordshire Railways

"The Lost Railways of Staffordshire and Derbyshire":


Anyone interested in the industrial context of the North Staffordshire Railway may like to take a look at some pictures from the steam photo charter at Shelton rolling mill a few days before it closed in April. "Hawarden", the last steam loco built for Shelton, features. The closure of course brought to an end one of the main reasons for the building of much of the railway system of the Potteries: to serve the iron and steel industry. You'll find the pictures at:


The following may be of interest (if a bit too late!)


Leek and Manifold Light Railway website:



A "monster picture report" is now online featuring Classes 37, 47, 56, 60, 66, 67, 86, 87, 90, 92 at Crewe, Cardiff Central, Rhymney, Gilfach Fargoed, Radyr, Newport:


Wartime Railways

Those interested in the role of railways in wartime might like to look at my "Junction X" web site at:


Transcribing of the "BR in Peace and War" booklets has been suspended for now but there's a bit of the 1943 book at:



A rather large update has been performed on Railpix (Australia):



CN (Canadian National) formerly known as CNR (Canadian National Railways) has donated its corporate photo collection of about one million photos to the Canadian Museum of Science and Technology in Ottawa. The photo collection covers 150 years (1850 to 2000) and naturally includes MANY rail photos. They also cover ships, air etc...

Several hundred photos have been scanned to date and are now up on the museum's web site:


European Railway Picture Gallery:



Did you know that you can find Indian train schedules online? "Bharat Yatra Granthalaya" includes links to major web resources:




Anyone interested in modelling the NCC may be interested in Bill Bedford's new venture:


I quote: "NEW 4mm Ready to run Loco Model BLK 6800 Northern Counties Committee Class WT 2-6-4T, `Jeep'. Features include: - Moulded Body - Nickel silver frames and motion - Available in OO, EM or P4 (21mm) gauges - OO, EM gauges have RP25 wheels - Sprung suspension - Choice of livery

Special Introductory Offer, (expires end July 2000):

UKP 100.00 deposit and then on delivery OO, EM UKP 50.00 P4 UKP 65.00"

An interesting development -- ready to run P4 -- lets hope this is the start of something bigger. (Irish 00 gauge must look strange... to an Irishman! ...Ed.)

South Africa

Site updated to include photos, diesel sounds, locomotive diagrams, steam photos, South African steam, diesels, electric photos, diagrams, specifications, sound and information on signaling - Steam in Swaziland and other information:




The Norfolk and Western would use big locomotives like these:


to haul hopper cars full of coal to tidewater:


where at Lambert's Point they would dump the coal from the hopper cars into these electric transfer cars to transport coal to the chutes leading to the ships:


Go figure!

Not sure what a mother would make of this farce, or of the rest of it for that matter, but I do have my first clue why Ivan Tan talks about modeling German locomotives -- I mean, who could tell if it was done to P87 standards?


EEK! QUICK! Close the bathroom door! She's not dressed to be seen in public.


Chicago -- The Ell above -- Chicago Surface Lines (CSL) below -- Autos and trucks somehow sandwiched in between:


But, the CSL did escape into the sunshine. Sorry, little dizzy are you?


Big Roof -- Little Trains:


When's the last time you watched them weigh a locomotive at Baldwin Locomotive Works? Lot of beam scales, huh? Both sides too:


From the outside, it just looks like any other outside-frame set of crankpins, rods and counterweights but, between the frames... Oh My! Looks like something that might have run on the Barfi Light Railway. What about it, Ken?


Hold on a sec... That crane gizzy is part of the locomotive! Or is it the other way around?


I went to high school in Wheaton, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago that was located on one of Insull's great third-rail lines, the Chicago, Aurora and Elgin. We townies from Wheaton were fond of saying that the students who lived in nearby Warrenville, lived in "Diddywah." Well, the students from Diddywah rode this to and from school:


Where would you have rather lived; Wheaton, where you walked to high school, or Diddywah, where you *had* to ride the train?

Cheers, Roger Miener at Tacoma WA USA

For visitors to Washington, DC:





For anyone interested in signalling, there's a wealth of info and lots of links at:


I've just put up a new web page which may interest signalling enthusiasts:


It is an extract from "Our Iron Roads" (5th edition of 1884) and includes tables of early Midland Railway bell and dial signal codes.

Other extracts from "Our Iron Roads" can be found at:


Railway Technology


Public Record Office


Platform Height

Nick Robson asked...

o Are there any other countries in the world that have their railway platforms as high as ours in relation to the railway rolling stock, and if not why not?

From Graham Mackenzie:

I think that UK is possibly the only country with raised platforms and it probably stems from the time that the genteel classes started to use the railways, as early shots show little if any raised platforms. My theory is that it would be unseemly for such genteel creatures as ladies, to stretch their legs forwards and upwards in case someone from the working classes had a glimpse of ankle!!

If you relate back to days of the coach and horses, mounting blocks and platforms would be used to ensure a smooth transition, without fear of exposure. The railway platform just became an extension of this. Why only in Britain? By the time that the rest of the world caught on about railway travel, they were probably less concerned with such niceties and incorporated steps into the end balconies, because their genteel folk were used to things like stairs!!

From Howard Sprenger:

A lot of country stations loaded freight into the daily pick-up goods train directly from the passenger platform, where it was obviously a lot easier to wheel a barrow into a goods van from floor level. Likewise, any parcels going by passenger train. I don't know if this is the reason for platforms, though. Whatever - it's interesting to see how far ahead we were in terms of accessibility for the disabled. I wonder how continental railways are coping with European legislation to make access to public transport more easy. (Ignoring it, probably.)


o Why is it that the people who lay (or re-lay) the preservation lines cannot get the rails aligned as straight and true as they might be? If you look at old photographs of railways, even the old boys managed to get the rails straight, presumably without much in the way of mechanical help.

From Nick Wheat:

Peak Rail had a long section of "straight" track made from curved rails!

(( )) (( )) (( ))

The answer is because (I s'pose) preservation tracks are all salvaged and invariably pre-curved to some degree or another.

From Graham Mackenzie:

Today's railways are less than straight because the day of the lengthman and prize lengths have gone. With the deep ballast shoulders of today, it is of less worry and hence, the need for daily attention has gone. As long as the track is in the right place, slight alterations of lateral position over a distance give less cause for concern and position can be measured over long distances and corrected by the various machines in use today. Bear in mind that the eye is very critical when looking at straight lines and in the days of extensive manpower, a lot of effort could be put into preserving the length and line. This is not economically possible today on Railtrack or indeed, or preserved railways, where volunteer resource is a precious commodity.

Railway Sleepers

Nick Robson asked about sources and costs for railway sleepers, and his question triggered a huge response. Going from the general to the specific:

From Ashley Sanders... A recent Gardener's World on TV suggested (I think) about 20UKP a sleeper -- and that is for a new untreated softwood sleeper. Old sleepers treated with creosote probably aren't good for the plants. I think yellow pages has a Railway Sleepers section (but I could be wrong there), or look under "Reclamation" perhaps.

From William Bickers-Jones... As far as I know they are about 15UKP each, they are available from Goodwillie's timber merchants in Waterlooville, among other places. Their telephone is (023) 9235 3888.

From Bill Oppenheimer... Herriard sawmills (not far from Nick) has a good supply of railway sleepers (I understand from India). They vary from 12 to 15 UKP depending on quality although if you sort through the cheaper ones you can usually find good buys.

From Graham Sumner... Try Romsey Reclaimation, in er, Romsey! I believe sleepers are about 14UKP each.

From Christopher Davis... Nick might try Hillier's near Liss, they used to sell them but they were pretty poor condition, and expensive for what they were. Suggest he investigates the possibility of pressure treated 75mm x 227mm, this is sufficient to hold up the upper storey of most houses (but not a railway loco). Pressure treatment guarantee is for 25 years, whereas most secondhand sleepers will be keeping the family warm about 10 to 12 years after purchase. Covers of Chichester will pressure treat and cut to the nearest 0.3 metre (a metric foot!) at no extra charge. A comparative costing might surprise Nick.

Thanks to everyone for your responses.

General Railway Sites

I have finally done an update. The new pages include: TOPS - Loco History, Loco Maintenance Depot Directory - Rugby HS update, new photos of Toton Photolog - pages "fixed", new Class 60 and Class 66 photolog plus a few more additions:


Bruce's Railway Webpage:


Anyone interested in visiting railways in the UK should check out a new website at:


A photo report on a recent trip to Glasgow and back from the Virgin 1 offer.


Fed up with the current rail service? A new website currently under development is intended to be the one stop resource for those wishing to avoid the traffic chaos that now affects our roads:


A new section has been added to Link Rail UK, listing sites that offer railway vehicles, spares, etc, for sale:


British Railway History 1700 - 1900:


Trackbed.com (all about British railways -- VERY comprehensive, but also still under construction)


Railway Photographs

References to published photographs of the Railway Stations of Great Britain and Ireland:


The Phantasmagoria Galleries have been updated with new UK photos and new Galleries covering both Switzerland and the Czech Republic.

UK update:


Czech 2000:


Switzerland 2000:


British Steam Locos - for example, this page is for locos at the Midland Railway Centre:


The Junction has been updated finally and there will be loads more photos added:


A new set of 35 photographs has been uploaded, the latest additions focussing on Norwich and Ipswich during 1999. Photos have been thumbnailed, considering there is 35 of them!


A few photos added to website including 55019 in action on the DPS tour last month.


John Hurst's Railway Photograph Catalogue:


Rail Photo Co Uk has been updated. Progressive modern traction photography is what it's all about:


Recent pictures of Mainline Steam in the UK including Kinlet Hall, 45157 and 4936:


The British railways pictorial website has been updated and redesigned so you can now view the pictures full size. Also the modern sections have been increased:


Nigel Bird Books


Archive CD Books Project


Reproductions of old books on CD. The Archive CD Books Project is all about making CDs of old and rare books available to genealogists and historians at a reasonable price. It is a "user supported" project, and not a commercial exercise.

Maps ----

Landmark Publications have just come on-line with LARGE SCALE maps of, I think, most UK counties published by the Ordnance Survey between 1846 and 1849. Their web site address is:


...and their site states - "Welcome to Landmark Information Group's free historical maps service. Around 85,000 images are available for viewing using a standard Internet browser. No additional plug-in software is required to view the maps and although the site will work at any screen resolution, we recommend a minimum of 1024x768. By using this site, you acknowledge and agree to our Terms and Conditions. The maps are dated between 1846 and 1899, and are of 1:10,560 scale. To ease navigation, we have supplied a County Name Gazetteer below. Selecting a county will present you with a gazetteer of towns and villages in that county. The gazetteer contains over 40,000 place names as they exist today."

Ashley has taken a quick peek and says that the above statement seems true and the maps are reasonably clear. Railway features are shown.


The original 'British Rail' staff newspaper is still going strong:


British Transport Films

On behalf of an interested 3rd Party, I have created a webpage which features an extract from British Transport Films excellent production, "Forward to First Principles" of 1966. The extract is of the Class 25 hauled freight train going through Chellaston Junction and the driver explaining the finer points of handling a 900-ton train through this tricky section of track.

The page is made up of screen photos and the commentary split into bite size morsels as wav files (may need a plug-in and soundcard for the full experience!) Patience may be necessary as everything downloads.

Enjoy it while you can before the copyright gestapo ask for its removal ;-)


The Ladykillers

Some background to 'The Ladykillers', the famous Ealing Comedy, in case you were wondering...

The house was at the end of what is now Conistone Way in North London. The house was only a temporary construction and the site is now built over. The tunnel in the film was the south end of Copenhagen Tunnels, with the North London Line in the background. The single track that ran by the back of the garden was the line to Caledonia Road Goods which was adjacent to the North London Line. This depot was accessed from Kings Cross Goods by via a reversing siding above Copenhagen Tunnels and closed on 30th October 1967.

And yet the view out of the front door was down a road to the front of St Pancras station in the distance. I guess these shots were taken down Argyle Street, opposite St Pancras.

The signal that bashed the Alex Guinnes character on the head was a film prop and not a real LNER signal.

The site of the tunnel mouth is visible behind a long high chicken-wire fence at the eastern end of Vale Royal.

The informative website dedicated to the Ealing Comedy, 'The Ladykillers', has had several more 'then and now' shots added:


The Railway Children

Following the screening of Carlton's adaptation of the famous Edith Nesbit novel, shown on ITV on Easter Day, the KWVR is running a poll on how viewers rated the film compared with the 1970 version. Visit the home page, make your views known and see the current state of the poll!


The 1970 version of the film was made on the KWVR and has become a classic of the British cinema. The 2000 version was made on the Bluebell, East Sussex by Carlton which is keen to stress its version is not a re-make, but a new adaptation of the book. Carlton have produced an attractive web site with details of both the 2000 and 1970 version at:


The KWVR web site has details of the original film at:


Unofficial Railway Children 'fanzine'!


Thomas the Tank Engine film

75 mins of trains - well not quite, but it does include some American live steam:


It is out, I saw it on Sunday with my son. If you love the Ringo Starr versions, then you'll probably be disappointed. They have introduced a new nasty Diesel 10 (aka Warship class) with his side-kicks Splatter and Dodge (aka class 08), but there is too much new stuff that isn't TTTE. However it does include some nice live steam in the form of an American 2-8-0 of the Indian Valley Railroad. (I presume they made up the name IVR.)

British Railway and Model Railway Vocabulary


Dave's Enamel Crest & Badge Collection


Railway Memorabilia

Want to buy Rail Memorabillia online? The following website has just been launched to try the water.


Profits go towards rail preservation and if sucessful the stock available will be expanded considerably.

Railway Collectors Events Diary 2000/2001...

If you are interested in collecting items of railway memorabilia (railwayana), whether they be locomotive nameplates, buttons or books you will find below details of auctions and fairs specialising in such items. Many events also carry a small selection of other related interests, such as shipping, buses, advertising signs, models etc.


Model Railways

Forwarded from the E4um list. Members might like to note that Midland 4-bolt running chairs are promised for sale soon. As this is from the mailing list for EM and S4 Society members it is fairly safe to say that the items are for 4mm scale. Their web site now has some CAD drawings of what the forthcoming Midland chairs should look like:


Their main web pages are at:


Train Simulation

Microsoft is to produce a train sim:


And just to show that they have no understanding of the semaphore signalling system, try:

http://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim/img/screens/ss21_Scotsman_Signal_Ra in.jpg

Fun Spot

Thanks to Larry Schwartz (blame him, not me...!)



The Omnibus Society's web-site has been updated with preliminary details of the BUZZ 2000 activities. This year they will be on different days for each Branch. As more information becomes available, it will be published. Meanwhile booking information for the North Western and Yorkshire Branch event and the South Wales and West Branch event are available.

The Omnibus Magazine issue 431 has been published. Its contents have been added to the author and title indices, and a picture of its front cover is also available on the web-site. Follow links to "The Omnibus Magazine" then to the "2000 Contents Lists" for the pages concerned. The Magazine features the Presidential Address by Ron Whittle, and a talk given by Bev Fowles on First Beeline. There is also an article on Fraser Eagle, and some fine classic photographs taken by Charles Klapper in Lincolnshire.

Finally our link page has been expanded to give more links to Bus, Rail, Air and Ferry operators:


Follow the links to "Big Buzz", and onwards.

The Greater London Bus Map web site:


Sheffield Bus Museum:


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